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Post by SA Hunter on Apr 20, 2015 18:59:58 GMT 8
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Post by good on Apr 22, 2015 9:19:34 GMT 8
Worrying trend. Philippines should never have asked the US to leave Subic Bay, now they are on their own while the rest of Asean twiddle their thumbs.
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Post by strop2 on May 4, 2015 1:03:02 GMT 8
The USA's South East Asian Working Group have been caught off guard by China and now need to play catch up and be reactionary to events now led by China.
The USA focuses on agenda that is 'NOW' unlike China's long term planning which appears to surpass the USA.
Maybe a stronger alliance between SE Asian countries to seek a resolution through the UN on ownership of the Seas in the disputed areas sooner rather than later.
The reclamation of land by one country doesn't give ownership to an area. This can only be resolved at the highest levels of international diplomacy, courts and UN.
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Post by SA Hunter on May 22, 2015 17:19:20 GMT 8
www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/china-tells-us-navy-surveillance-plane-to-leave-after-filming-reclamation-work-in-disputed-sea/story-fnpjxnlk-1227364666181CHINA says it is entitled to keep watch over airspace and seas surrounding artificial islands it created in the disputed waters of the South China Sea, following an exchange in which its navy warned off a US surveillance plane. The US Navy P8-A Poseidon plane flew over the Fiery Cross Reef, where China is building man-made islands to claim as sovereign territory. The area is home to some of the world’s busiest commercial shipping routes and is also claimed in part or in whole by the Philippines, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam. The US and a group of 10 South-East Asian countries want the project stopped. A news crew from CNN reported it witnessed an incident Wednesday in which a Chinese navy dispatcher demanded eight times that the US surveillance aircraft leave the area as it flew over to look at the reclamation work. When the US crew responded that they were flying through international airspace, the Chinese dispatcher answered: “This is the Chinese navy ... You go!” The US says its aerial patrolling was in accordance with international law. CNN said it was given exclusive permission to board the surveillance flight because the US wants to raise awareness of China’s island building project. It also said it was the first time the Pentagon had declassified audio of the Chinese making such challenges. The Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank posted more video overnight of the aerial patrol above the Spratly island chain which it said had been released by the US Navy. Speaking at a regular daily briefing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei reiterated Beijing’s insistence on its indisputable sovereignty over the islands it has created by piling sand on top of atolls and reefs. While saying he had no information about the reported exchange, Hong said China was “entitled to the surveillance over related airspace and sea areas so as to maintain national security and avoid any maritime accidents. “We hope relevant countries respect China’s sovereignty over the South China Sea, abandon actions that may intensify controversies and play a constructive role for regional peace and stability,” Hong told reporters at a daily news briefing. In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters: “I saw the video. I don’t think I’d call it a confrontation. There were certainly verbal warnings given by the Chinese. It’s unclear on what basis they issued these warnings.” “US military planes operate in accordance with international law in disputed areas of the South China Sea. So the US military has and will continue to operate consistent with the rights, freedoms and lawful use of the sea in the South China Sea,” she said. China’s construction has intensified frictions among competing parties in the South China Sea, which Beijing claims virtually in its entirety along with its scattered island groups. The US and most of the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations want a halt to the projects, which they suspect are aimed at building islands and other land features over which China can claim sovereignty and base military assets. The US says it takes no position on the sovereignty claims but insists they must be negotiated. Washington also says ensuring maritime safety and access is a US national security priority. China is also at odds with Japan over ownership of a group of uninhabited islands in the East China Sea that are controlled by Tokyo but also claimed by Beijing, leading to increased activity by Chinese planes and ships in the area, which lies between Taiwan and Okinawa. Both sides have accused the other of operating dangerously, prompting fears of an incident such as the 2001 collision between a Chinese fighter jet and a US surveillance plane in which the Chinese pilot was killed and the American crew detained on China’s Hainan island. People’s Liberation Army air force spokesman Shen Jinke said Thursday’s exercises were held in international airspace but gave no specifics. In its report on the drills, state broadcaster CCTV showed a video of Xian H-6 twin-engine bombers, a Chinese version of Russia’s Tupelov Tu-16, in flight and landing at an air base, although it wasn’t clear when the video was shot. Along with the longstanding island dispute, China raised tensions in November 2013 when it declared an air defence identification zone over a large swathe of the East China Sea that would require foreign aircraft to announce their flight plans and follow Chinese instructions. The zone was immediately denounced by Japan, the US and others, and the US air force mounted an immediate challenge by flying a pair of B-52 bombers through it unannounced.
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Post by good on May 25, 2015 14:30:05 GMT 8
Quote Reuters:
BEIJING (Reuters) - A Chinese state-owned newspaper said on Monday that "war is inevitable" between China and the United States over the South China Sea unless Washington stops demanding Beijing halt the building of artificial islands in the disputed waterway.
The Global Times, an influential nationalist tabloid owned by the ruling Communist Party's official newspaper the People's Daily, said in an editorial that China was determined to finish its construction work, calling it the country's "most important bottom line".
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Post by strop2 on May 28, 2015 9:07:33 GMT 8
Very disappointing stance by China, but China has the muscle to flex. It's appears to be similar to a road rage where both sides escalate the situation and no one backs down, ending in unplanned disaster.
However, not totally unplanned by China which owns USA debt and the USA has Obama in charge.
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Post by good on May 29, 2015 16:59:27 GMT 8
Agree with points made by strop2.
South east Asia countries response has been next to nothing. Obama is just talk.
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Post by strop2 on May 31, 2015 17:15:59 GMT 8
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Post by good on May 31, 2015 17:33:30 GMT 8
Extract from AFP news: quote
"China on Sunday rejected US demands to stop reclamation works in the South China Sea, saying it was exercising its sovereignty and using the controversial outposts to fulfil international responsibilities.
Admiral Sun Jianguo, deputy chief of the general staff department in the People's Liberation Army, told a security summit in Singapore that "the situation in the South China Sea is on the whole peaceful and stable, and there has never been an issue with the freedom of navigation."
"China has carried out construction on some islands and reefs in the South China Sea mainly for the purpose of improving the functions of the relevant islands and reefs, and the working and living conditions of personnel stationed there.
"Apart from meeting the necessary defence needs, it is more geared to better perform China's international responsibilities and obligations regarding maritime search and rescue, disaster prevention and relief, maritime scientific research, meteorological observation, environmental protection, safety of navigation, fishery production, services," he added.
China insists it has sovereignty over nearly all of the South China Sea, a major global shipping route believed to be home to oil and gas reserves, but rival claimants accuse it of expansionism."
duplicate post. Sorry about that.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 1, 2015 17:53:01 GMT 8
Extract from AFP news: quote "China on Sunday rejected US demands to stop reclamation works in the South China Sea, saying it was exercising its sovereignty and using the controversial outposts to fulfil international responsibilities. Admiral Sun Jianguo, deputy chief of the general staff department in the People's Liberation Army, told a security summit in Singapore that "the situation in the South China Sea is on the whole peaceful and stable, and there has never been an issue with the freedom of navigation." "China has carried out construction on some islands and reefs in the South China Sea mainly for the purpose of improving the functions of the relevant islands and reefs, and the working and living conditions of personnel stationed there. "Apart from meeting the necessary defence needs, it is more geared to better perform China's international responsibilities and obligations regarding maritime search and rescue, disaster prevention and relief, maritime scientific research, meteorological observation, environmental protection, safety of navigation, fishery production, services," he added. China insists it has sovereignty over nearly all of the South China Sea, a major global shipping route believed to be home to oil and gas reserves, but rival claimants accuse it of expansionism." duplicate post. Sorry about that. No probs re the duplicate post - I deleted it. You should be able to do this yourself - go to the little cog wheel to the right of the post, and click delete post!! |
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Post by good on Jun 3, 2015 14:57:31 GMT 8
AFP NEWS: quote
"Philippine President Benigno Aquino drew a parallel Wednesday between present day China and Nazi Germany during a speech in Japan, hinting the world cannot continue to appease Beijing as it claims ever-more territory in the South China Sea.
The comments come as disquiet grows over the quickening pace of China's land reclamation programme in international waters, including its construction of a runway long enough for large military planes.
"If there was a vacuum, if the United States, which is the superpower, says 'we are not interested', perhaps there is no brake to ambitions of other countries," Aquino told an audience of business leaders in Tokyo when asked about China's rising might and the role of the US in checking it.
"I'm an amateur student of history and I'm reminded of... how Germany was testing the waters and what the response was by various other European powers," he said referring to the Nazis' territorial conquests in the months before the outbreak of World War II.
"They tested the waters and they were ready to back down if for instance in that aspect, France said (to back down).
"But unfortunately, up to the annexation of the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, the annexation of the entire country of Czechoslovakia, nobody said stop.
"If somebody said stop to (Adolf) Hitler at that point in time, or to Germany at that time, would we have avoided World War II."
The strong comments come after US President Barack Obama on Monday weighed in on the growing tensions in the South China Sea, urging regional powers -- particularly China -- to respect the law and stop "throwing elbows".
China has rejected US demands to stop all reclamation works in the South China Sea, saying it was exercising its sovereignty and using the outposts to fulfil international responsibilities.
Beijing insists it has sovereignty over nearly all of the South China Sea, a major global shipping route believed to be home to oil and gas reserves, but rival claimants accuse it of expansionism.
Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also have varied claims over islets and reefs in the area.
Washington and its Asian allies, including Tokyo, which has a separate territorial dispute with Beijing in the East China Sea, has warned that ignoring international laws could threaten "the freedom of navigation."
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Post by myrrph on Jun 8, 2015 9:08:23 GMT 8
I'm really keeping track of this.
I am actually worried about it. Might be 3 months might be 3 years... but stuffs gonna happen here....
wondering how bad it will be
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Post by strop2 on Jun 9, 2015 21:39:06 GMT 8
It is alarming. What President Aquino stated is a great parallel to WW2. However, was Germany the equal to China?
Now we have nuclear weapons around the world and China owns USA debt. What can anyone do except rhetoric, how about stopping Chinese imports or other penalties? Will the USA take a lead on that (remember the debt)?
If China said it wanted all the mining rights in the South China Sea (which is not similar to a country/territory that Germany annexed or invaded), equating in no deaths, who would risk a war? Unlike Germany, China's expansionism, for the moment, appears to be very limited. If China did invade another country's homeland, there would be war. Therefore, China wins the South China Sea. No one wants a war.
This is a great strategy employed by China! The USA will remain powerless.
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Post by good on Jun 10, 2015 15:41:05 GMT 8
Just want to share that an Australian Christian pastor had an article dated November 2014 of a prophecy that there will be clashes in the south China sea.
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Post by myrrph on Jun 11, 2015 9:41:55 GMT 8
where is that article?
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