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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 3, 2016 18:51:35 GMT 8
Hi
After my last trip to SE Asia, one thing that stuck with me was the amount of people in many of the large cities we visited ( Singapore, Phnom Penh & Ho Chi Minh City ).
This experience has led me to start this thread, Preparing in a large city/town. Whilst in these wonderful cities, in the back of my mind was "what would i do if the SHTF whilst here?" This really got me thinking, and I hope this thread will be a source of knowledge to you all.
Please feel free to share your ideas/views re this thread. I had 3 weeks experience, most of you have years and years of experience.
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Post by good on Dec 15, 2016 18:00:01 GMT 8
For Singapore, its very difficult to survive shtf. Most densely populated place in the world.
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Post by strop2 on Dec 19, 2016 9:09:01 GMT 8
In Taguig City, Greater Manila, I have failed to obtain a map of the area, and the roads are terrible. There are squatter areas located all over Manila. Bugging In would be dangerous and Bugging Out would be more dangerous. Most people in the poorer areas would be everyman for himself. There are high crime rates. Security guards are at the entrances to all Malls and most main street shops. The Gov't plan to kill off drug dealers is going well but still too slow. There is also a surprising number of cars that congest the road system and impede traffic on a daily basis. There are under used Toll Roads that would be illegally used during SHTF but these too would become congested. In HCMC Vietnam, it would be a little easier to Bug Out. There are many motorbikes and remaining in HCMC for too long could be an entrapment but crime isn't too bad and drug dealers are fewer. Bugging Out, although easier, has road issues. Only two roads head to the Mekong (where there is an abundance of food and water). The are limited road exits leading to and out of built up areas. In summary, living in large populated Asian city would be horrendous during any SHTF scenario. Have your Triggers (what needs to happen) in place for Decision Points (enacting part of your plan) and stick to your course of action - flexible plan....... Attachments:
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Post by strop2 on Dec 19, 2016 9:38:36 GMT 8
For Singapore, its very difficult to survive shtf. Most densely populated place in the world. Hahaha, you only think Singapore is the most populated place in the world. Look at this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_population_densityManila wins hands down but after saying that - Greater Manila has 40 million people in it and all the Cities are butted up to each other - the road system is a nightmare (few roads) and public transport is outdated. Philippines are constantly hit by Typhoons, has active volcanoes, and active terrorists and criminal gangs. I currently have a house in Taguig City (greater Manila) but it is surrounded by other Cities and each City has squatter camps or illegal housing (all of these things lead to more issues). My house and land in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam is well situated to provide all my needs - lots of food and water here. The only issue is if the 7-9 dams break on the Mekong River. That's when boats come in handy. A lot of planning involved............. |
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Post by good on Dec 19, 2016 15:51:46 GMT 8
Thanks strop for wiki link. For Singapore, they have not included 2.5m foreign resident workers
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Post by strop2 on Dec 29, 2016 15:01:12 GMT 8
Without looking at every City, here are a few more facts on population.
HCMC - Main District's population 8 mil in 496 sq km, without counting people coming in to drop off produce and travelling each day to work.
Jakarta - Special City District 10.5 mil in 662 sq km with another 2 mil traveling in to work each day.
Singapore - 5.6 mil with another 2.5 mil (total 8.1 mil) in 719 sq km.
I'm sure parts of greater Manila are worse as well as various Cities in India but I think this should be enough of an example.
It would be horrendous to be stuck in the centre of those heavily populated areas.
Can you imagine as you try to exit these areas, where poor people normally live on the outskirts where crime rates are much higher, running a gauntlet to escape a SHTF scenario.
The question of Bug In or Bug Out is very important and how and where to Bug Out. Too many factors come in to play - type of SHTF, is there an alternate location to Bug Out to, emergency response times etc.
Up side - Singapore's emergency services have a plan for every situation, as do every Western Country (although USA has had some poor responses over previous years) and HCMC would rely solely on the People's Army. Other Asian Countries would rely on outside help but I would not discard that some countries would welcome a population reduction......
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Post by good on Dec 30, 2016 18:57:57 GMT 8
Strop made a very good point about decision making during emergencies. Suppose you bug out but the moment u do it, things back to normal. Or u bug in but find a brigade of looters emerging out of the blue and its too late to leave
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